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Smart-UPS X 3000 shut down power output for no obvious reason

Discussion in Smart-UPS & Symmetra LX / RM started by Anton , 10 days ago
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    Anton
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    Anton 10 days ago

    Hi

    Our smart UPS shut down output completely for no obvious reason recently. Even if this was caused by external reasons (e.g. voltage drop) I do not see why the UPS switched off the power output instead off going on battery. The UPS is pretty new, battery is full and load is around 30%. Any idea why this could happen?

    Here is a log extract:

    02/05/2019 20:00:31 Device UPS: No longer on battery power. 0x010A
    02/05/2019 20:00:31 Device UPS: The power for switched outlet group 3, Outlet Group 3, is now turned on. 0x0134
    02/05/2019 20:00:31 Device UPS: The power for switched outlet group 2, Outlet Group 2, is now turned on. 0x0134
    02/05/2019 20:00:31 Device UPS: The power for switched outlet group 1, Outlet Group 1, is now turned on. 0x0134
    02/05/2019 20:00:30 Device UPS: On battery power in response to unknown. 0x0109
    02/05/2019 20:00:30 Device UPS: The output power is now turned on. 0x0113
    02/05/2019 20:00:29 Device UPS: The output power is turned off. 0x0114
    02/05/2019 20:00:29 Device UPS: The graceful shutdown period has ended. 0x014F
    02/05/2019 20:00:29 Device UPS: Switched outlet group 3, Outlet Group 3, has been commanded to shutdown with on delay. 0x0174
    02/05/2019 20:00:29 Device UPS: The power for switched outlet group 3, Outlet Group 3, is now turned off. 0x0135
    02/05/2019 20:00:29 Device UPS: Switched outlet group 2, Outlet Group 2, has been commanded to shutdown with on delay. 0x0174
    02/05/2019 20:00:29 Device UPS: The power for switched outlet group 2, Outlet Group 2, is now turned off. 0x0135
    02/05/2019 20:00:29 Device UPS: Switched outlet group 1, Outlet Group 1, has been commanded to shutdown with on delay. 0x0174
    02/05/2019 20:00:29 Device UPS: The power for switched outlet group 1, Outlet Group 1, is now turned off. 0x0135
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    Vladimir
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    Vladimir 10 days ago (in response to Anton)
    Hi, Anton.
    Do not be surprised if a series of UPS SMT, SMC.
    If you have the opportunity to watch a series of PCB 640-xxx. We continue.
    Vladimir
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    Anton
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    Anton 10 days ago (in response to Vladimir)

    I am sorry, I have problems parsing your message. Do you mean that for some models it is normal?

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    Vladimir
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    Vladimir 10 days ago (in response to Anton)
    Hi
    I have such an event occurred in November 2018 in the data center. UPS performed a 14-day self-test and disconnected the entire load (~ 40%).
    Two weeks later, everything happened again. There are no events in the log. That's why I'm looking for answers here on the forum.
    You still give a UPS model.
    Vladimir

    https://forums.apc.com/spaces/5/smart-ups-symmetra-lx-rm/forums/general/85300/unintentionally-shutdown-of-both-outlet-groups

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    Anton
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    Anton 10 days ago (in response to Vladimir)

    I see now. In our case there was a self-test 2 days before without any issues and there are log entries for this shutdown, but they just say "hey, everything is shutting down".

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    Vladimir
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    Vladimir 10 days ago (in response to Anton)
    Power at the output of the main group of UPS sockets is already missing. A log captures the event of disconnecting group outlets after the fact, the algorithm for it is, unfortunately, without the feedback of the presence of AC.
    The logs have the opportunity to see the state of charge of the battery for the previous period of time, perhaps the reason for them.
    I think this is a component level, a relay.
    I would like to hear a competent opinion of engineers.
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    Anton
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    Anton 10 days ago (in response to Vladimir)

    Well, the log events right before that are self-test from 2 days before:

    02/03/2019 06:48:36 Device UPS: Self-Test passed. 0x01D2
    02/03/2019 06:48:28 Device UPS: Self-Test started by automatic timer. 0x0137
    The data log is collected once per 10 minutes and it only has entries 5 minutes before and 5 minutes after the event. The battery is full and power is fine at that time:
    Date Time Vmin Vmax Vout Iout %Wout %out FrqOut %Cap Vbat Tups T1ambC 
     02/05/2019 20:05:19 230.00 234.09 232.56 2.50 16.73 19.41 49.90 100.00 136.47 +22.02 25.0            
     02/05/2019 19:55:19 231.33 234.59 233.67 2.44 16.36 19.10 50.06 100.00 130.81 +22.05 26.0    
    To re-iterate:
    • No other log entries whatsoever (power, battery, temperature, etc)
    • Battery is full, load is low
    • UPS switches off the output and only then switches to battery power

    This kind of defeats the purpose of having a UPS.

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    Vladimir
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    Vladimir 10 days ago (in response to Anton)
    You are trying to understand what you see.
    And I'm trying to explain what you do not see.
    Again.
    There was a power throw.
    OPS did not fix it in the logs but honestly reflected the disconnection of group sockets according to the internal firmware algorithm and possibly the settings (delays) that you yourself created.
    After the restoration of power, UPS, it says that it does not feed on batteries anymore.
    But the event was that!
    Now, if it’s not critical to load, try provoking the launch of selftest through the MNC.
    If not CRITICAL for the load.
    I'm trying to understand my problem (which I outlined) and yours.
    I fight with SMT1500RMI2U.
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    Anton
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    Anton 10 days ago (in response to Vladimir)

    There was a power throw.

    I seriously doubt it. We had power issues in the last few months and they a) were properly logged, b) led to disabling input, not output and c) switched UPS to battery without interrupting the power supply.

    In this case the UPS disabled the output without switching to the battery first. This is the opposite of what Uninterruptible Power Supply (UPS for short) should do. The fact that power supply stopped for a few seconds is logged on all the devices connected to this UPS.

    OPS did not fix it in the logs but honestly reflected the disconnection of group sockets according to the internal firmware algorithm and possibly the settings (delays) that you yourself created.

    Again, why in the world would a UPS disconnect output sockets in case of input power problem instead of switching to the battery? The logs from the UPS itself, as well as from the connected devices clearly indicate that the UPS first disconnected the power outputthen switched to the battery, and only after all of that re-enabled the output.

    After the restoration of power, UPS, it says that it does not feed on batteries anymore.
    But the event was that!
    Now, if it’s not critical to load, try provoking the launch of selftest through the MNC.
    If not CRITICAL for the load.
    I'm trying to understand my problem (which I outlined) and yours.
    I fight with SMT1500RMI2U.

    As I already mentioned, our UPS works just fine during selftest and it is a different model. Your problem is irrelevant here.

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