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Can a UPS withOUT a battery still be used as a Surge Suppressor?

Discussion in General Questions & Suggestions started by Donald , 8/23/2020 2:18 AM
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Can a UPS withOUT a battery still be used as a Surge Suppressor?

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  • I have other APC UPS protecting other equipment.

    But. I also have this 1 APC UPS (APC BR1500G BACK-UPS Pro) that was protecting a very old Desktop Computer.

    The battery in that UPS has died & the Desktop is way too old & it is not feasible to replace that UPS, or even just replace the battery.

    I would like to completely remove the dead battery from that UPS & continue to use it ONLY as a Surge Suppressor.

    Is that possible?

    Will all of the outlets still work as Surge Suppressors?  Even those outlets that were previously Battery Backup protected?

     

    Can a UPS withOUT a battery still be used as a Surge Suppressor?

  • Hi Donald,

    I don't know the exact specifics for every model of UPS but some of the surge only sockets should still work even with the UPS turn off, so I'd imagine they'll still work with the battery.

    The battery protected sockets won't work without a battery. 

    If you just need surge protection then it might be best to look at our Surge Arrest line of products, I think they're reasonably priced and come with an equipment protection policy.

    -Gavan

  • I looked at SurgeArrest.

    But, I want something withOUT a cord that plugs directly on the wall outlet.

    Plus, I really need something that has "Gigabit" Ethernet protection.

    Any other suggestions?

  • You could look at the SurgeArrest PM1W-XX, where xx is the model for your country. It's a single socket surge protector with no cords, it just goes into the socket and then the equipment gets plugged directly into it.

    Here's the UK model: https://www.apc.com/shop/uk/en/products/APC-Essential-SurgeArrest-1-outlet-230V-United-Kingdom/P-PM1W-UK

    For network protection there is the APC NetProtect 1Gb, its a litle adaptor that goes in line with your network connection and provides surge protection.

    https://www.apc.com/shop/uk/en/products/APC-ProtectNet-standalone-surge-protector-for-10-100-1000-Base-T-Ethernet-lines/P-PNET1GB

    -Gavan

  • NONE of those are what I am looking for.

    I am in the USA.

    I need a 6+ Socket Surge Protector withOUT a cord that plugs directly onto the wall electrical socket.

    It must have protection for "Gigabit" Ethernet.  Protection for coaxial & USB would be a plus.

    I do NOT need USB Charging ports.

    All of those features need to be on 1 Surge Protector.  I do NOT want multiple devices.

  • I don't think we have what you're looking for, the closest two options are:

    PE6WU2 - No cord, 6 protected sockets 

    https://www.amazon.com/APC-Protector-Protection-SurgeArrest-PE4WRU3/dp/B07JWQXTFV/ref=psdc_3236443011_t4_B005NOKGLG?th=1

    or

    P11VNT3 - It has 11 outlets, network protection and co-ax protection but it's corded.

    https://www.amazon.com/APC-Protection-SurgeArrest-Performance-P11VNT3/dp/B0012YFXSW

    -Gavan 

  • 1 Last Question:

    Why are the Surge Protectors that do have Ethernet Protection NOT "Gigabit" Ethernet Protection?

    Since "Gigabit" Ethernet has been around for years now, it seems that EVERY Surge Protector that DOES have Ethernet Protection should have "Gigabit" Ethernet Protection.

  • On 26/8/2020 11:42 AM, Donald said:

    Since "Gigabit" Ethernet has been around for years now, it seems that EVERY Surge Protector that DOES have Ethernet Protection should have "Gigabit" Ethernet Protection.

    Fundamentally the increased signalling rate of "Gigabit" ethernet has issues with any extra capacitance added by a "surge suppressor". They exist, but all impact the signal in some way. The good ones give you guidance and insertion loss figures telling you how much they impact the signal, the others just let you find out on your own when the link keeps dropping.

    In all reality, given all non-PoE ethernet has galvanic isolation at both ends, the effectiveness of a "surge suppressor" is nebulous at best.

    It seems you pretty well know what you want. Do you know why you want it?

  • On 8/26/2020 1:31 AM, Brad said:

    Fundamentally the increased signalling rate of "Gigabit" ethernet has issues with any extra capacitance added by a "surge suppressor". They exist, but all impact the signal in some way. The good ones give you guidance and insertion loss figures telling you how much they impact the signal, the others just let you find out on your own when the link keeps dropping.

    In all reality, given all non-PoE ethernet has galvanic isolation at both ends, the effectiveness of a "surge suppressor" is nebulous at best.

    It seems you pretty well know what you want. Do you know why you want it?

    THANK YOU for your opinion.

    I do respect your opinion, but disagree with it.

    All of my research & the opinions of "experts" on this subject support my disagreement with your opinion.

    Regardless. because of the age of the system, my regularly saving my work, & my backup & imaging practices, I have decided to just not protect this system.

  • I have searched similar questions, but cannot find a best matching information, so sorry if I indeed missed some good answers from other posts in the past 

    How worth is an UPS if you don't care about losing data, is serious OS data corruption a thing nowadays? Do you replace the whole UPS or just buy batteries for it, how often? Should I care buying a surge protector if I have an UPS already? How often should a new surge protector be bought? Thanks!

  • Hi Laury,

    A UPS is worth it if you want to protect your equipment fo electrical damage not just data loss. Brown outs, voltage change, spikes and surges can all impact your computer and only spikes and surges are dealt with by a surge protector. 

    Some UPSs need to be replaced when the battery fails and some have replaceable batteries, our UPSs will let you know when to change them or their batteries.

    If you have a UPS you don't really need a surge protector, maybe before the UPS as surge protectors are a lot cheaper than UPSs.

    The APC SurgeArrest line has an LED on the unit to tell you when it is no longer capable of protecting your equipment.

    -Gavan

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